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Re: Dean is an a-hole...

Postby weschrist » Sun May 21, 2006 1:14 pm

"The point is, you see, that there is no point in driving yourself mad trying to stop yourself going mad. You might just as well give in and save your sanity for later." FP

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Postby grayhghost » Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:57 pm

Here is an interesting article from Outside magazine. It goes into more detail about how the climb was TR rehearsed and shows where the fixed ropes grooved the rock.



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Postby JimG » Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:02 pm

A great quote from the Outside article.
"We film everything we do. We just happen to be super-bitching at it."
What an ass.

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Postby jun » Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:34 am

this whole thing just keeps ballooning. What a fiasco.



No matter what potter does his name has been marred and it will remain that way.

no one is a climbing saint. we've probably all done things that don't positively represent the sport, but no matter what his intentions were he took it over the line.
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Postby grayhghost » Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:45 am

You can also check out the video at:








Off Topic: This Steve Baron seems like a pretty cool guy. He is a local cat who digs backcountry skiing and trail running.

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Postby jun » Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:03 am

On two occasions you saw a rope hanging from the top of the arch and one other time there is a leg in the frame.


i'm sure that the people who were filming weren't doing any damange to the rock at all . . . tards.
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Postby trashman » Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:16 am

i like the fact that outside points out 3 rope grooves, and Jason Kieth mentions counting 5 through a spotting scope last month.

maybe rope grooves are just a natural geologic feature in that rock type.

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Postby jun » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:51 pm

i will say this about the rope grooves.

they didn't look fresh. i've spent a lot of time climbing on sandstone in So Utah and i've always found it pretty easy to distinguish newer from older wear-marks. the ones in that photo looked pretty eroded.
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National Parks

Postby mort » Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:42 pm

I agree with Wes and the other guy with you don't ask the rangers anything unless there's a big chance you will be seen and could get fined. I've been doing alot of climbing and mostly canyoneering thrrough these NPS and every time we ask they tell us there are too many people, and we can't go through. Never have I seen another person on a canyoneering trip. They will say anything to keep climbers out of the park, even if it's legal for us to be in there.

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Postby MikeA » Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:41 am

I heard the audio of an interview he did with NPR in which he points out "at least two other ascents". So now, in addition to the horrible judgment of over-hyping his own ascent, he has now publicized ascents by other people who were smart enough to shut up about it. This really undermines any effort by the Access Fund to claim that Potter is an exception who doesn't represent all climbers, and that most climbers know how to play nice.

An apology would go a long way here, but I think he is too arrogant. He also said that while he doesn't regret the climb, or publicizing it, he regrets it being blown out of proportion! I've always thought he was kind of full of it after reading some stuff he has written, but after hearing this, I have come to suspect that he is not very intelligent. That statement is very destructive to his emergency-self-preservation-campaign. It's like giving the finger to everyone who is upset by his stunt because he is saying that he doesn't respect our opinion on the subject.

Finally, he made this lame statement about "mis-management of the national parks" as if to imply that this whole stunt was a pre-meditated act of civil protest. If you're going to protest environmental abuse by the government, don't use a narcissistic and environmentally destructive act to do it. Feed the homeless or plant a tree or something instead.

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Postby Tenesmus » Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:54 pm


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Postby dirt girl » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:31 pm

Dean apologizes...sort of


I still think he's an arrogant SOB. I particularly like that he still claims to have climbed the arch "in the highest and purest way" even though he toproped it first.

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Postby etrier » Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:15 pm

Man, you guys are harsh. I think Dean is cool and he has been getting grief ever since he started doing climbs and jumps and slack line walks in styles that put him in the limelight. Actually, I think most people never expected him to survive this long and certainly their is more than a tad of jealosy that he has!!!!. People like Dean will live forever in the history books of climbing whereas you and me won't last long. Battling the NPS is also nothing new....I agree with Trashman on that! Climbing or doing anything in this country seems to require more registration, payment, permits and whatever than any other place in the world! Why is that? And I don't agree that our beloved USA has remained more pristine because of all the government regulations....Dean rocks!

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Postby jonathan knight » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:15 pm

He's not rockin the mic on this one.

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Postby jun » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:15 pm

this isn't an issue of battling the NPS. he didn't battle anyone. he did it for his own personal gain and to be in the limelight.


in a lot of ways he is like Dan Osman. the difference is that Dan didn't put up a front. he didn't claim what he was doing was to be one with nature or to make a statement.


i don't think anyone here would care if Dean climbed delicate arch. the issue is that he is out-right lying about his reasons for doing it. if he wants to tell the NPS to piss-off and let us do our thing, that is fine. i won't argue that, but don't play it off as a spiritual thing cuz no one is believing that for a second.
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