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Postby MikeA » Tue May 09, 2006 4:30 pm

IMO: Lame

For a guy who likes to spout off about nature, I've seen him do a lot of shit that is destructive: I've tripped over his slacklining bolts at Gemini Bridges and the Rostrum and I've seen the unpatched holes from the anchor he chopped off "Playing Hooky" on the Tombstone in Moab.

Granted, I'm no saint, but then I don't spray about how pure I am either.

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Postby Iceaxe » Tue May 09, 2006 5:34 pm

Gerry Roach pretty much set the tone and rules that the sub-culture of Arch Baggers live by in 1982 with his book "Arch Bagger - A Scramblers Guide to Arches National Park".

Here was what Roach had to say about Delicate Arch..... "Delicate Arch has enough power that it is sufficient to simply view. Don't get greedy."

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Postby Tenesmus » Tue May 09, 2006 9:21 pm

Don't know the guy, but the Red Baron's (from the TGR site) sister Missy looks interesting.

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Postby Shaft » Tue May 09, 2006 9:46 pm

Teton gravity research forum:

Most users ever online was 968, 04-24-2006 at 04:00 PM.

Holy shit that's a lot of people.

Back on topic, way, way lame. jlane over at b.com wrote an email to pagagucci expressing his disgust, i'm following suit.

Sorry, fellow transplant utard-Dean, this does nothing but hurt climbers in the eyes of land managers.

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Postby oldfattradguy » Wed May 10, 2006 8:43 am

maybee this is like the time pee wee fiddled with himself in the porn movie theater, it kind of "retired" his charceter out of the limelight (eventually).

maybee dean did this so he could eventually get his charecter "retired" and out of the limelight (i don't think there are any porn theaters in moab)

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Postby MikeA » Wed May 10, 2006 9:37 am

I keep hearing people say that there was a "loophole", so he didn't technically break the law. Can someone explain this? Is Delicate arch not listed on the map or something?

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Postby dirt girl » Wed May 10, 2006 9:47 am

Somewhere the regs must define rock climbing, and it doesn't cover bouldering or soloing. They're not going to prosecute him. Bummer. See the latest Tribune article.
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Postby ns » Wed May 10, 2006 12:13 pm

Back on topic, way, way lame. jlane over at b.com wrote an email to pagagucci expressing his disgust, i'm following suit.

Sorry, fellow transplant utard-Dean, this does nothing but hurt climbers in the eyes of land managers.[/quote]



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Postby Brian in SLC » Wed May 10, 2006 3:06 pm

ns wrote:Don't forget Black Diamond and 5.10.


Don't see him on BD's site no more. Prior to this go 'round methinks.

5.10, yep.

Must have found an alternate source of cash. Oh that's right, he got married (ouch!).
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Postby kidjan » Wed May 10, 2006 7:07 pm

I tried, but I just can't seem to get worked up about it. It just isn't that big of a deal.

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Postby GOlsen » Thu May 11, 2006 11:42 am

MikeA wrote:I keep hearing people say that there was a "loophole", so he didn't technically break the law. Can someone explain this? Is Delicate arch not listed on the map or something?


The only "loophole" must have been in DP's brain. He makes a big deal about communing with nature. Sex with your loved one is a natural act too...Lights! Camera! Action!

If nature was his goal, the cameras kind of blew that defense.

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Postby jun » Thu May 11, 2006 11:57 am

not that i want him to die, but what would have really made this classic was if he fell off and got hurt (not bad, just enough to make him look like an idiot)
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Dean is an a-hole...

Postby belayon » Fri May 19, 2006 9:58 pm

In case nobody is aware, Dean Potter is not driven by the 'sprituality' of anything but his ego. This is according to Susie Sutphin, who is the Patagonia Athelete Sphonsorship Program manager and Dean's 'boss' as far as his relationship with Patagonia is concerned. He (and Steph) are "Bratty little Divas" that can't seem to play nice with anybody. This is because Dean's ego is out of control. He constantly 'whines' to Yvon when he doesn't get his way, which is most of the time. Yvon seems to be the only person at Patagonia that likes the guy on a personal level.

Whether you climb in Arches or not, or whether there is a 'loophole' or not, the issue boils down to mutual respect. The bottom line here is that 1) Dean's acts were obviously ego-driven and 2) he has jeapordized access for everyone else by forcing the Park to revisit their climbing policy.

How can anyone respect a person that is selfish, egotistical, a liar about his motives, and threatens the rights of legions of other people?

In my opinion, he is an asshole. Plain and simple. If I see his camp in the Cirque of the Towers or something, I will probably piss on his tent, burn his gear, and huck his water filter. Rot in hell, Dean!

PS - I you want to express your thoughts to Patagonia, send them to yvon.chouinard@patagonia.com

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Postby weschrist » Sun May 21, 2006 12:40 pm

adk wrote:What is your opinion on this? I saw it on Fox 13 last night and I had mixed feelings.


Duh, Fux news is very apt at taking fairly benign stories and making them controversial... confusing your common sense opinions with outrage and fear.

Why did Dean take a camera crew? Shit, if I was going to do something that was 1) controversial, 2) scenic, or 3) proud and figured I had one chance to get photos of course I would take cameras.

At Delicate Arch the act was sure to get photographed anyway so why not make sure the photogs knew wtf they were doing?
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Postby weschrist » Sun May 21, 2006 1:07 pm

jun wrote:anyone who has climbed in a NP knows that if you are uncertain about the availability of a climb you check with park officials first, which i'm certain he didn't.


Completely fucking wrong. Half of the tools don't know wtf they are talking about.

At Devil's Tower a few of us went into the head ranger's office and asked him directly if we could summit DT by full moon. He said the regulations only prohibit camping on top, so an ascent by moonlight would be fine as long as we didn't spend the night. Three pitches up and several beers later we got spotlighted by a wanker tool who was threatening to impound our vehicle and arrest us. We rapped down to discuss the issue, told him we had the okay, and promptly got ejected from the park. The next day before traveling home, we stopped by to talk to the head honcho again and he said the ranger was new, wasn't clear on the regulations, and should have let us continue... then added that he didn't think climbing the tower at night was a good idea and probably should be prohibited anyway.

My point: tools are exactly that, tools.
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