Also, creating new trails is totally fine . . . as long as you contact and obtain approval from the FS.
Grazing cattle is totally fine . . . as long as you contact and obtain approval from the FS.
Get where this is going? FS land is labeled "multi-use", but you have to follow the guidelines.
Jun, I think you're grossly oversimplifying the issues here. The major caveat you list is 'as long as you contact and obtain approval from the FS' and that can take years or never come. For example, a grazing permit is more valuable than gold in many areas of the West and generally irreplaceable. What better way to subsidize the very ranchers who tout the Constitution and hate Federal oversight?
Same thing for the logging companies with timber permits. Sure, you can get a small timber harvesting permit for private use down in the forests around Cedar. Do they let people do that right along the Wasatch front?
Trails are another matter all together. Trying to 'contact and obtain approval from the FS' is something we've been doing and that the mountain bikers tried to do. Creating a sanctioned trail on FS land is no easy task. JK's and the Access Fund have been trying for years to get something going in AF but they won't let us. Why do you think we keep going back to LCC and why do you think we went to Fergy last year?
The mt bikers altered an existing social trail, which the FS didn't approve. That's a huge faux pas and the FS punished them for it.
I know of at least one person with the SLCA who spent about 6 years trying to get the Egg trail approved and sanctioned. We thought we had it but in the end it is unclear. So, say we would have gone on with our plan and the FS became agitated with what we'd done? What might they do with our 'social trail' then? Its a scary proposition for me.
Price brings up an important point about the Church. However, we were taking an unstable area with recent slide activity and shoring it up so on one would have a boulder topple onto them. That's a huge risk management relief for them and I'm guessing a bonus.
Getting offended and re-stating inflammatory comments only hurts both sides of the equation. I'm not saying it isn't easy to get bothered by that stuff. But bringing it to light on the internet won't help your cause. It is unfortunate that the frustrated attitude with the Church is still there but surely you can see why. It makes risk management sense for them to not deal with us and it makes sense for us to misunderstand their lack of empathy with our recreation. Flying under the radar isn't necessarily good policy with any landowner. However, knowing your audience is