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Re: Great White Bridge Opportunity

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Re: Great White Bridge Opportunity

Postby jun » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:05 am

First, there is no reason for FS officials to be voted in. They simply enforce a recognized federal set of rules that we are all required to abide by.

And to be clear, cutting down trees in the forest is totally fine . . . as long as you contact and obtain approval from the FS.

Also, creating new trails is totally fine . . . as long as you contact and obtain approval from the FS.

Grazing cattle is totally fine . . . as long as you contact and obtain approval from the FS.

Get where this is going? FS land is labeled "multi-use", but you have to follow the guidelines.

In the news video the mountain biker representative said that he had tried to contact and work with the FS for the last three years and they were unresponsive. That's a load of crap. Climbers, hikers, and private land work with them every day without any problems. I have personally contacted and discussed things with them and they have been nothing but helpful. They obviously made no effort.

And like most idiots, their biggest mistake was two-fold: 1. riding like maniacs through the campground; 2. (and most importantly) - posting video of themselves all over the internet.
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Re: Great White Bridge Opportunity

Postby price1869 » Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:53 am

Gotta stop lurking and start getting flamed again sometime, I guess ....

It's interesting that people take such a justified view of their own actions, but are so quick to condemn the actions of another party. Take for instance the SLCA project on Saturday. When the FS shut us down on cleaning up the Egg trail, a party quickly headed to private property to do some trail maintenance. When that "maintenance" turned into full fledged trundling and attempted trail building, I decided it was a bad idea and started back down the trail to look for some reasonable service.

When I voiced my opinion about what was going on, I was told, "Fuck the Church. We've tried talking to them, and they don't listen. The only way to get something done up here is to just do it. We've got every right to be here too."

And don't think that people aren't posting video of that too: (link to come later - it's on TC's facebook)

In ways, similar to DP climbing Delicate Arch - he thought he had every right to do what he wanted on public land. Really he just made access harder for everyone. I'm not posing a solution here, just thought that maybe we're throwing stones from our own glass fortress.
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Re: Great White Bridge Opportunity

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Re: Great White Bridge Opportunity

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Re: Great White Bridge Opportunity

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Re: Great White Bridge Opportunity

Postby ZOSO » Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:08 pm

Only if the train could go over some biker built stunts. Now that would be kickin. yuk yuk

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Re: Great White Bridge Opportunity

Postby price1869 » Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:12 pm

It's tough to balance conservation of limited resources and big-brother society. Glad it's not my job. I think the FS response to both the Egg trail and the bikers is totally ridiculous.

The Church land is private, and technically they don't allow climbing on it, they just turn a blind eye. Seems to me that any attention is bad attention, so strictly my opinion is that we don't do service projects on their land, with or without permission. In other words, if we ask to build a trail on church property, I can see the church responding, "No you're not supposed to be up there anyway." If we build the trail w/out permission, it's probably worse.

I'm sure we could get away with cleanup of trash, and "shoring up" an unstable area, but I felt like the project on saturday went a little beyond "shoring up". Either way, complex issue for sure. Let's get back to fighting about the geezer wall and ripping on MP.com
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Re: Great White Bridge Opportunity

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Re: Great White Bridge Opportunity

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Re: Great White Bridge Opportunity

Postby jun » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:41 pm

This actually brings up a question from me since this debate started.

How does the FS feel about us fixing landings, especially those that are pretty significant?

Just curious.
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Re: Great White Bridge Opportunity

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